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Thu Jun 11 08:41:06 PDT 2009


A. Uniforms of lesser quality, and substantially less cost, quick turnaround times:  Kits in the neighborhood of $60 (2 shirts/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping) 

B. From 1st Vendor - Dayak's Den:
1. Addidas (Pro - good brand name, quality // Con - slow order times (months), change styles every 2 years, could be difficult to do fill in's at end of uniform life)  Cost (2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping)  - appx $100-140 (depending on med/high end)

2. Nike (Pro - good brand name, quality // Con - slow order times (months), change styles every 2 years, could be difficult to do fill in's at end of uniform life) (2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping)

3. Xara (Pro - good quality, only do soccer, maintain styles at least 4 years, easy to work with//Con - less well known) -(2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping)Cost appx $130

4. Lotto (Pro - good quality, only do soccer, can maintain style forever - custom design, easy to work with//Con - less well known) --(2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers (on shirt & shorts)/logo/shipping)Cost appx $145

Beyond this the recommendations based on Dayak's are to select Lotto, Xara, or Nike in that order.  Lotto and Xara because we'll get treated well, Nike if we prefer a major brand.  Addidas is difficult and slow to work with (I have examples if you would like them).

Kickbacks:
    Addidas less than any of the others - they don't need to do it....
    Nike amount to about a 10% value back to League (probably in shirts/outerwear but only at Nike's choice NOT ours)
    Xara & Lotto, both about 10% as well, but they will work with us to find out what the form is we would like, equpt, clothing, tournament support

Overall:  
    Xara is the least expensive of the better uniforms (some good choices)
    Nike (least interesting uniforms)
    Addidas (NO)
    Lotto (can personalize the uniforms for good)

My recommendations:
    Either Xara or Lotto So B3 or B4.

Also, we would be agreeing to a 4 year contract.  So, any NEW teams that just purchased uniforms do not have to purchase new ones Fall '09, but they would by Fall '10 and then in '12.  All others would be purchasing in Fall '09 and again in Fall '11 and at a minimum. Additionally all new teams going forward will buy these uniforms as they join.

cheers,
Jeff
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<DIV><FONT size=4>First, I have been through this uniform process a number of times over the years that I have been with the league, you are beating a drum that has been&nbsp;beaten a number of times already over the years on the same issue!!!&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Second, it is my understanding from the last board vote taken, regarding competitive team uniforms,&nbsp;and&nbsp;distributed to the all the coaches, that competitive teams were <EM><STRONG><U>allowed to pick any</U></STRONG></EM> <EM><STRONG><U>uniform/manufacture as long as that uniform's colors were our league colors.</U></STRONG></EM>&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>From our league web site AS OF TODAY:</FONT></DIV>
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<H2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">"Competitive Uniforms</SPAN></H2>
<P><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">New for 2009!</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">&nbsp;</SPAN></P><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">As of the 2004 season all competitive (Division/Class 1 and Division/Class 3) teams are required to use the SSJYSL uniform standard. Effective January 12, 2009 the uniform standard has been changed. &nbsp;The league no longer requires the use of a specific uniform style, however, the following standards must be met to play in SSJYSL and receive the uniform rebate. &nbsp;</SPAN> 
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<LI><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Uniforms must be in league colors which are royal blue, white and gold. &nbsp;Any combination of these colors may be used, however, no other predominate color is allowed.</SPAN> 
<LI><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">The SSJYSL league logo MUST appear on the left chest of the jersey. &nbsp;It may be printed in royal blue, white or gold.</SPAN> 
<LI><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Player numbers must be printed in royal blue, white or gold.</SPAN> 
<LI><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Socks must be royal blue, gold or white.</SPAN></LI></UL>
<P><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">We use 8" numbers on the jerseys (royal numbers on white or gold jerseys, white or gold numbers on royal jerseys). You can also put 4" numbers on your shorts if you want .</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">To reiterate, ALL uniforms must have the SSJYSL league logo on the left chest. &nbsp;Soccer Pro on Saratoga Avenue and Asby Sports on North Capitol Avenue both have the league logo on file, but you may purchase your uniforms from any vendor you choose.&nbsp;"&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>So why are we now talking about selecting a <U>one source</U> for the competitive uniforms?&nbsp; I know I was on vacation for the last board meeting, so was there a change in the vote regarding uniforms?&nbsp; From reading the minutes there was no discussion regarding competitive uniforms.&nbsp; No discussion, no motion, no second, NO VOTE!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I know some competitive teams have already purchased uniforms for the coming falls season.&nbsp; My team will be using the same "past league required uniforms" this coming fall 2009 season, so this is not a issue that I am fighting because&nbsp;the SSJ Lions just purchasing "new" uniforms.&nbsp; Or are&nbsp;you telling me now I have to purchase new uniforms for the FALL 2009 season, per the contract!&nbsp; A couple&nbsp;of my parents just replaced smaller uniforms with the past standard required uniforms and our team's plan is to use these uniforms for the next two years!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>My concern is why we are spending time on this uniform issue to begin with?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The only "standard" that I see necessary is selecting a uniform is for the rec program! &nbsp;There I would have to support the lowest cost (taking some quality into consideration)&nbsp;being we provide the rec program&nbsp;with "new uniforms" each year.&nbsp; The cost associated with the uniforms mentioned below is to high for the rec program!&nbsp; Remember what ever we pay for the rec uniform needs to be reimbursed to the comp teams!&nbsp; I do not think you want a $60 - $140 reimbursement for uniforms to the competitive teams!&nbsp; If a competitive team wants to expend $300 or just $50 for their teams uniforms let them make the choice!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Sorry but as a board member I do not support any of the competitive uniform contracts as noted below, and will not support or vote for any league required competitive uniforms.&nbsp; Board members, we just went through FIVE years of problems because of this issue and I do not want to continue to waste the league's time over the "standard required uniform issue" again.&nbsp; Board Members, let us not&nbsp;change our policy every time the wind blows in a different direction!&nbsp; DO NOT SUPPORT A REQUIRED COMPETITIVE UNIFORM&nbsp;manufacture or distributor!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>I will support the selection of a standard "recreational" uniform, manufacture and distributor and an extended contract.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>Jeff, thank you for all your work on this issue and hope you understand my position to not support a four year " league standard competitive uniform" contract.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Eric (Rick) Simons</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:ricklions at earthlink.net">ricklions at earthlink.net</A></DIV>
<DIV>Soccer line (408) 227-4163</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jeffsemone at yahoo.com href="mailto:jeffsemone at yahoo.com">Jeff Semone</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=SSJ-coaches at ssjysl.org href="mailto:SSJ-coaches at ssjysl.org">SSJ-coaches at ssjysl.org</A> 
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc: </B><A title=board at ssjysl.org href="mailto:board at ssjysl.org">board at ssjysl.org</A>; <A title=ssj-Board at ssjysl.org href="mailto:ssj-Board at ssjysl.org">ssj-Board at ssjysl.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 6/11/2009 8:54:58 AM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [SSJ-Coaches] Comp team uniform contract</DIV>
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<DIV>All,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I apologize for the delay, but it took me awhile to obtain the level of detail I thought you should have (READ THE ENTIRE EMAIL).&nbsp; In short the following items are what I think we should vote on. I've included some potential uniform selections (attachment)&nbsp;from the vendors discussed below.&nbsp; Please email me back on your vote of choice A.Challenger or B. Dayak's Den and if B. then which number 1 through 4(company you would like to go with).&nbsp; <STRONG><FONT size=4>Email me back by Sun Noon please</FONT></STRONG>, thanks - </DIV>
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<DIV>From the 2nd Vendor Challenger:</DIV>
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<DIV>A. Uniforms of&nbsp;lesser quality, and substantially less cost, quick turnaround times:&nbsp; Kits in the neighborhood of $60 (2 shirts/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping) </DIV>
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<DIV>B. From 1st Vendor - Dayak's Den:</DIV>
<DIV>1. Addidas (Pro - good brand name, quality // Con - slow order times (months), change styles every 2 years, could be difficult to do fill in's at end of uniform life)&nbsp; Cost (2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping)&nbsp; - appx $100-140 (depending on med/high end)</DIV>
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<DIV>2. Nike (Pro - good brand name, quality // Con - slow order times (months), change styles every 2 years, could be difficult to do fill in's at end of uniform life) (2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping)</DIV>
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<DIV>3. Xara (Pro - good quality, only do soccer, maintain styles at least 4 years, easy to work with//Con - less well known) -(2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers/logo/shipping)Cost appx $130</DIV>
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<DIV>4. Lotto (Pro - good quality, only do soccer, can maintain style forever - custom design, easy to work with//Con - less well known) --(2 Shirt/2 shorts/2 socks/numbers (on shirt &amp; shorts)/logo/shipping)Cost appx $145</DIV>
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<DIV>Beyond this the recommendations based on Dayak's are to select Lotto, Xara, or Nike in that order.&nbsp; Lotto and Xara because we'll get treated well, Nike if we prefer a major brand.&nbsp; Addidas is difficult and slow to work with (I have examples if you would like them).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kickbacks:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Addidas less than any of the others - they don't need to do it....</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nike amount to about a 10% value back to League (probably in shirts/outerwear but only at Nike's choice NOT ours)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Xara &amp; Lotto, both about 10% as well, but they will work with us to find out what the form is we would like, equpt, clothing, tournament support</DIV>
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<DIV>Overall:&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Xara is the least expensive of the better uniforms (some good choices)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nike (least interesting uniforms)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Addidas (NO)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lotto (can personalize the uniforms for good)</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=5>My recommendations:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=5>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Either Xara or Lotto So B3 or B4.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Also,&nbsp;we would be agreeing to a 4 year contract.&nbsp; So, any NEW teams that just purchased uniforms do not have to purchase new ones Fall '09, but they would by Fall '10 and then in '12.&nbsp; All others would be purchasing in Fall '09 and again in Fall '11 and&nbsp;at a minimum. Additionally all new teams going forward will buy these uniforms as they join.</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=5>cheers,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=5>Jeff</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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